Using one bath to prepare several steaks of different temps/appearance of doneness.

For further reference, join us on Facebook

This is called the Norwood method or principle after the first member that it dawned upon. Let’s say you’re having the in-laws over for dinner. As if that wasn’t bad enough, one of them likes their steaks well done, one of them likes them medium, and you and your significant other like them quite rare. Let’s say you have some scheduling issues as well, and you have to work today and then feed the brood tonight.
Start your sous vide bath at the HIGHEST temperature that you plan on using to process–well done, in this case. The subjectivity of “well done” notwithstanding, and as a general guideline, that would be somewhere around 145F+. It may be as high as 165F for some people. Steaks with bones require higher temps to get that well done appearance all the way to the joint. People who like their steaks well done usually expect them to LOOK more well done than most of us–take that into consideration when you sear.
Make sure you mark the bags. Allow AT LEAST two hours for the temperature to penetrate the first steak. You can actually put that well done steak in the bath in the morning before running after the bus. When you get home from the salt mine, reduce temperature by adding cold water or ice to the bath. 135F is medium-ish–again, some tinkering may be required. If you have time in the morning, you could do this step then, too.
Add the second steak. Allow AT LEAST two hours for each step–whatever works for you–there is no “moment” before which the steak is under cooked and after which it is ruined. Sous vide is very forgiving in that regard, because the temperatures used are so low.
When you drag yourself in the front door that evening, lower the temp again, this time to 129F, add water or ice as needed. Add the last two steaks for you and your mate. Wait another two hours. ALL the steaks can now be seared at any time. They do not have to be seared immediately. Go ahead and open another bottle of wine, you may need it. Somewhere over the next four hours, remove the marked bags and proceed to sear.
Let sous vide timing work for you!
Sous vide has a number of unique characteristics. Cooking time is not determined by weight, but rather by the shortest distance from the surface of the roast to the geometric center. The rate of collagen conversion (tenderization) in the sous vide range of temperatures is very gradual. For example, the difference in texture and appearance between a prime rib processed @129F for 8 hours and one processed for 16 hours is negligible, if detectable at all.
Some people want to start their sous vide projects in the early morning to serve for dinner that evening, so the 8+ hour interval is convenient for them. Others would rather start it the evening before and sleep in! Both approaches are favorable!

Time versus temperature

Temperature determines appearance of doneness. Time determines tenderness as a function of the conversion of collagen to gelatin. It is that simple. The higher the temp, the faster the rate of conversion.


Pasteurization is the result of a combination of time and temperature that it takes to kill the hardiest of pathogens. The calculation of duration includes rough measurement of the distance from the surface of the object to the geometric center of the object. This penetration parameter is rarely more than an hour or two, even in the largest of objects. Pasteurization is not an indication of tenderness, and is not the same as sterilization. Sous vide processed foods are not shelf stable.

Rub this, or, stop rubbing me the wrong way

Entire books, entire world VIEWS have been devoted to the finer points of rubs. Mostly for naught, because people either end up buying or imitating that stuff named after a city in Quebec…actually, there are Montreals in other places as well–after all, “montreal” is sort of like “camino real,” “real” being sort of a bastardization/corruption of a term indicating royalty, therefore, royal mountain, the royal road, etc. Lots of royal mountains out there, but I digress.
Rubs. Sous vide enthusiasts are stone determined to force salt into their proteins. It’s like a religion until it comes to rubs. Then they seem to stop thinking about it. They either purchase or fabricate seasoning mixes that conceal salt behind all that paprika, dried herb, and other little pebbles of stuff that lure us like a swinging gold watch. Why on earth would you put salt in a rub? I know, down the rabbit hole, and I talk at length about this in the book that I promise will come out one of these days.

Sous Vide Pork Spare Ribs

Rubs can’t penetrate, most of us know that by now. We don’t really want them to anyway. We want them to create a crust. Right? D’oh. So. Measure out your NaCl to somewhere between 1-2 teaspoons of salt per pound. You can even ignore bone weight, it’s no big deal. Sprinkle the salt on your meat. That’s not a joke. Then, build your own darned rub.
We all know what’s in it. Two parts paprika, one part sugar, one part cayenne, one part ground black pepper, one part this, one part that, oregano, thyme, sage is kina strong. I like fennel seeds, but that freaks people out. Fine, grind them up. I like seeing them.
Put a ton of dried parsley in there, because it doesn’t matter. Use as much rub as you want, because no matter how much you sprinkle, rub, pack on there–the end result will not be salty, because you kept the salt separate, you genius.

Sous Vide Pork Spareribs

Okay, so why do rub manufacturers put all that salt in their rubs? I’m glad you asked. Salt is cheap, I mean, salt is like FREE compared to all the other little granules and extracts and ground up helpless animal ears and whatever else they have in there. Think about it.

Being new to the game

New members ask me if there is a beginner’s guide for sous vide, like a book or whatever. I usually tell them that they have found the beginner’s guide–this group. In truth, they have probably at least perused our feed and decided it was a little over their head. Okay, no shame in that. Is there a better answer?
Well, that’s a good question. Because of the posting parameters that we have established, posts usually reflect contributions from members who have entered the fast lane. They either knew when they got here, figured it out after they got here by lurking, or, heaven forbid, they read the group description. I’ve been doing this so long, I have forgotten what it was like when I got introduced to it.

chicken breast 101

By then, I had already been a chef for twenty years, so it wasn’t really that intimidating. Not so for most people, though.
I put some thought into the very FIRST thing that people should “hear” as an explanation of what sous vide is. Wikipedia has a pretty good synopsis, but maybe there was even a shorter one. And a more informative one, not just a definition.
  • Temperature determines appearance of doneness. Temps as low as 129F (or a little lower) are used when you want your beef or lamb to appear “rare.” Lower than that may not be hot enough to kill pathogens.
  • Chicken, pork, and other barnyard animals aren’t usually served pink, so their temps start more like 135F, assuming you are going to rekindle after processing.
  • Heat causes damage–breakdown of cellular structure, etc. The lower the temp, the less damage.
  • The higher the temperature, the faster the tenderization process.
  • Time determines tenderness. The longer you process, the more tender the protein becomes.
  • Time should not be used to MEASURE tenderness. Tenderness is subjective, and there is no “moment” before which the meat is tough and after which the meat is falling apart. Tenderness is determined through use of the pinch and poke method–linked in the group guidelines. Easy to learn.
  • After processing, proteins must be either consumed or shocked in iced water to 70F and refrigerated at 40F. If you do not crack the bag, the pasteurized proteins will keep refrigerated much like a carton of milk from the market.


    Many of us know that August Escoffier is usually considered to be the originator of classical French cuisine. This causes a certain amount of confusion. Actually, Escoffier’s role was more to “codify” a style/method/philosophy of cooking that already existed. Most people and even most chefs have never heard of Marie-Antoine Carême.
    Carême was a (male) celebrity chef long before Puck, Flay, Lagasse et al, even before Escoffier. Gastronomic historians consider Carême to be the FIRST celebrity chef. Of course, the global, 24/7 media machine that we have today didn’t exist in the 18th and 19th centuries. A chef famous in Paris could be totally unknown in Lyon, less than a hundred miles away.
    Born in 1784 and the youngest of 16 children, Carême’s parents abandoned him in 1794. It was the height of the French Revolution and things were tough. Carême worked as an unskilled laborer in a neighborhood café, and then apprenticed in a pastry shop at the tender (but typical) age of 14. Eventually, he became quite well known for his creativity, and himself codified traditional recipes in literature.
    Carême died of respiratory illness at the age of 48–what we call emphysema. Stoves were charcoal fired back then, and chefs were routinely exposed to the toxic fumes–rather like if we stood over an open barbecue all day. Chef Carême died eleven years before Escoffier was even born (1846– 1935).
    Many recipes and methods that Escoffier is given credit for were already in use in Carême’s time, including the so-called “classical sauces”– Béchamel, Velouté, Espagnole, Sauce Tomat, and even Hollandaise.
    For that matter, Carême didn’t just make them up–somebody taught them to him too, we just don’t know exactly who. So what? I’ll tell you so what.


    Chefs are a proud lot, especially acclaimed ones. That’s not news. And I’d be willing to wager that Carême would have taken a critical, dim view of Escoffier’s interpretations of recipes that Carême had mastered. And whoever taught Carême would probably have felt much the same way about how THEIR recipes were being corrupted and bastardized by Carême. Can’t you just imagine the clucking, the rolling of the eyes, the shaking of the head as Carême read one of Escoffier’s culinary treatises?

    I can almost hear him sputtering (in French) “That’s not a REAL, AUTHENTIC, TRADITIONAL demi-glace!” So, what’s the point? Humans are a funny lot. Moses brought chiseled tablets down the mountain, revealing unalterable truth, never to be readjusted. But nobody ever did that with Marinara sauce. We imagine an objective standard against which everything can be compared, evaluated, and critiqued.
    We indulge ourselves in comments like “That’s not a TRUE Scallopini.” After all–once you introduce sous vide into preexisting recipes, you have abandoned tradition from the get-go. Maybe someday people will look at a paper lined basket and say “That’s not a TRADITIONAL Hot Pocket, and I KNOW, because my Nonna learned how to make them from HER mother, and THAT’S not the way they were made back in the OLD country.” And who puts KETCHUP on a HOT DOG?
    Every chef leans one way or another when it comes to naming/describing menu items. Americans like to name dishes after exotic places, events and celebrities, preferably foreign. I have noticed that contemporary French and Italian restaurants opt for listing the components of menu items, rather than give them proper names. Hardly any capital letters to be seen. “Wellington” becomes supplanted by “en croute” (in a crust).
    There’s less controversy/confusion that way. Waiters don’t have to answer (and bungle) the question “what’s in it?”or “how do you pronounce this?” You don’t have to call it Hollandaise sauce–it’s perfectly fine to just call it a “lemony emulsion.”
    So, the next time you make something, you can avoid looking up (or faking) how to spell a word in a foreign language; when to use “ à la,” instead of “ à la façon du,” etc. And when you see something called something that doesn’t exactly duplicate what you understood the dish to be, ask yourself “Is he/she trying to get me to buy this?” Because, if they’re not, well, it really doesn’t matter what they call it.
    If they say it’s osso buco, osso buco it is! I suppose it should have a bone with a hole in it, because that is the literal translation. Nothing about veal, or the appropriate sauce. Everything is real, nothing is fake. Authenticity is a red herring–just ask Carême.

Sous vide has numerous virtues–tenderization, pasteurization, uniformity in degree of doneness, and more. But people get so excited about learning the new methodology, they tend to assign characteristics to it that are not really part of the big picture. Let’s go over a few of them.

Sous vide is not magic. The only puff of smoke is the one that occurs when your sv project hits the hot pan or the bbq. Sous vide processed steaks are great, and neophytes usually gravitate to them early in the learning process. Sous vide makes steaks come out with a uniform appearance of doneness–medium rare all the way through, etc. But sous vide does not tenderize steaks–not in 2-4 hours anyway. 129F-135F can convert collagen to gelatin–but it does so very slowly, very, very slowly. The only real effect sous vide has on steaks is the uniformity in appearance of doneness that I mentioned, AND

Sous vide minimizes the loss of moisture because of the sealed environment, and that is amazing in itself.

Sous vide has no effect on flavor. It does not facilitate the application of seasonings. The scientific evidence tells us that other than salt, nothing can penetrate the tangled matrix of complex proteins of which meat is composed. Seasoning/flavoring after processing is much more efficient than seasoning before. It also requires much less of the seasoning than it would otherwise.

The most amazing benefit of sous vide occurs when it is applied to tougher cuts. The conversion of collagen to gelatin is the definition of tenderness, and sous vide performs that function at much lower temperatures than any other method. The lower the heat, the less the inherent damage to the cellular structure of the protein.

converting dry brine to wet brine

How to convert dry cure to wet cure?  What was once 1 tablespoon per lb of meat becomes anywhere from 10 oz/2 gallons to 40oz./2 gallons of water.  According to the literature, even the highest concentration will not exceed the federal regulatory limits for nitrite levels. Ultimately, “taste testing” the completed brine will give you the best idea of how the finished product will come out—if you brine the meat long enough, it will have exactly the same concentration of salt/sugar flavor as the brine.

Morton’s high end recommendations(up to 2.5 lbs. Cure/2 gallons water) assure that your finished product will keep for a long time, but it will be pretty salty.

Make sure you completely submerge your pork bellies.2 Gallons of brine is about right for 2 x 3-pound pork bellies.  One week per inch of thickness at least, wet brine is much slower than dry brine.

Enough with the Wellington

There are numerous challenges to the Wellington model, no matter which approach you take. Puff pastry is almost impossible for the novice to make, so you have to buy it. As if that wasn’t annoying enough, puff pastry with wet things inside it comes out crisp on the outside and gooey on the inside. That’s why you put the jam on a Croissant instead of inside it.

It looks cool if you cut the first slice off, or cut it in half, but try slicing it in uniform pieces without totally losing the crust on the bottom. Totally soaked. Since hardly anybody wraps the filet in prosciutto or puts foie gras or truffles, or, thankfully, mushroom duxelles in the package, we shouldn’t even be calling it Wellington. Beef tenderloin en croute is at least honest.

SV does a number of good things. I love sous vide, no debate there. It pasteurizes, which, in the case of Wellington is unnecessary and even undesirable. It preserves, again, unnecessary. So far, so bad.

SV creates uniform appearance of doneness throughout the cut of meat. This is why sv steaks and roasts are so great. Hold on, folks. The Wellington pastry crust already does that–by design. People don’t realize this. The use of the insulating pastry crust is actually a primitive or at least indirect form of sous vide. If Wellington is baked and rested properly, the appearance of doneness is uniform through and through. Kind of the whole idea.

The filet is SUPPOSED to be raw, (seared), before it is wrapped in the crust. If you use sous vide, you’re cooking the filet before you’re cooking the filet. It’s like sous vide processing something twice, just because you like sous vide so much.

This is why I don’t sous vide Wellington. I really don’t care if you do it or not. People ask me why I don’t do it. This is why I don’t do it.